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Meta Do we want a wiki (or similar) alongside Q&A?

I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have tu...

posted 1y ago by Karl Knechtel‭  ·  edited 1y ago by Karl Knechtel‭

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#3: Post edited by user avatar Karl Knechtel‭ · 2023-08-08T02:49:13Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have turned out for other communities. Rather than try to define "wiki" or consider ways to implement that strategy, I want to consider:
  • **How could a category using the "article" page type be used here?**
  • My own answer seems quite clear to me. The model that makes the most sense is already demonstrated by the ["Papers" section for the EE community](https://electrical.codidact.com/categories/35). The examples here generally look, to me, like one of:
  • * Guided "tutorials" that build to an existing concept step by step (e.g. the actually-existing design of basic op-amps)
  • * Closed-ended, but non-trivial, lists of well-agreed-upon reasons for a practice, or methods for some objective. These are susceptible to being presented in a way that looks more like Q&A, because there is more of a need to specify the underlying problem in detail.
  • * Alternatives for ways to visualize or understand a difficult or subtle concept
  • All of these make sense to me in a software development context, although I would modify the last one somewhat - we might instead have articles that focus on a single, commonly misunderstood concept (say, recursion), and address multiple misconceptions with that same concept. I'm a little less positive about the idea of doing tutorials, but I can imagine offering e.g. a collection of ways to do individual tasks that sum up to "managing a language-X environment" or "making use of branches in a repository" or "choosing between absolute and relative imports in Python". You get the idea.
  • Where I think this model could really shine is for the medium-length-list type questions, where there are a few well-defined ways to do something simple, and a fair bit that is useful to say about each of them. For example, the nearly 3000 words (if we count the dozens of short code examples as text normally) I recently wrote [about string formatting in Python](https://software.codidact.com/posts/289251). When there are fundamentally about 6 (depending on how you count) sensible approaches to a problem, that isn't too widely scoped for a question (the question itself is quite coherent, and would look the same if there *weren't* the historical baggage of `%`-style formatting etc.). It offers an executive summary that [fits within short-term memory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two). But being able to put all the answer content in one place, up front, avoids a [combinatorial explosion](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390907) of attempts to explain various *subsets of* the Ways To Do It (and of various aspects thereof). It also avoids confusion over whether to answer with a summary of all ways, or in detail about one way - more importantly, it avoids worrying about *coordination* problems between answerers.
  • ---
  • The potential downside I see is that (as things stand, to my understanding) articles could not be *directly* used to close duplicate questions, at least not if they're in their own category (which would IMO definitely be desirable for organizational reasons). But then, a lot of the time it would be better to answer questions with a "stub" that *refers to* main article content (and perhaps points out a specific relevant section) and then in some cases it could be closed after that (as no other answer could reasonably be necessary). Possibly in some cases, *those* questions could become really good duplicate targets. The stub would give a direct answer for a very specific question, and then relevant detail is behind the link (just as it would be for answers that quote and cite documentation and then give a one-sentence explanation of how the quote answers the question).
  • As for specifics about article writing: I envision people taking advantage of the threaded comment feature, using comments heavily to point out missing, poorly organized or otherwise inferior content. Separate comment threads could discuss any given issue, and by convention OP would be responsible for significant content edits - to maintain a consistent style. Others could edit for the usual grammar/typo/copyediting reasons. I imagine articles making heavy use of `<details>` tags, so that they can avoid taking up space with a separate "table of contents" (although it [should be possible](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/289239) to link those up internally with HTML), and make it easier to scroll over sections that don't interest the reader.
  • I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have turned out for other communities. Rather than try to define "wiki" or consider ways to implement that strategy, I want to consider:
  • **How could a category using the "article" page type be used here?**
  • My own answer seems quite clear to me. The model that makes the most sense is already demonstrated by the ["Papers" section for the EE community](https://electrical.codidact.com/categories/35). The examples here generally look, to me, like one of:
  • * Guided "tutorials" that build to an existing concept step by step (e.g. the actually-existing design of basic op-amps)
  • * Closed-ended, but non-trivial, lists of well-agreed-upon reasons for a practice, or methods for some objective. These are susceptible to being presented in a way that looks more like Q&A, because there is more of a need to specify the underlying problem in detail.
  • * Alternatives for ways to visualize or understand a difficult or subtle concept
  • All of these make sense to me in a software development context, although I would modify the last one somewhat - we might instead have articles that focus on a single, commonly misunderstood concept (say, recursion), and address multiple misconceptions with that same concept. I'm a little less positive about the idea of doing tutorials, but I can imagine offering e.g. a collection of ways to do individual tasks that sum up to "managing a language-X environment" or "making use of branches in a repository" or "choosing between absolute and relative imports in Python". You get the idea.
  • Where I think this model could really shine is for the medium-length-list type questions, where there are a few well-defined ways to do something simple, and a fair bit that is useful to say about each of them. For example, the ~~nearly 3000~~ more than 3200 words (if we count the dozens of short code examples as text normally) I recently wrote [about string formatting in Python](https://software.codidact.com/posts/289251). When there are fundamentally about 6 (depending on how you count) sensible approaches to a problem, that isn't too widely scoped for a question (the question itself is quite coherent, and would look the same if there *weren't* the historical baggage of `%`-style formatting etc.). It offers an executive summary that [fits within short-term memory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two). But being able to put all the answer content in one place, up front, avoids a [combinatorial explosion](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390907) of attempts to explain various *subsets of* the Ways To Do It (and of various aspects thereof). It also avoids confusion over whether to answer with a summary of all ways, or in detail about one way - more importantly, it avoids worrying about *coordination* problems between answerers.
  • ---
  • The potential downside I see is that (as things stand, to my understanding) articles could not be *directly* used to close duplicate questions, at least not if they're in their own category (which would IMO definitely be desirable for organizational reasons). But then, a lot of the time it would be better to answer questions with a "stub" that *refers to* main article content (and perhaps points out a specific relevant section) and then in some cases it could be closed after that (as no other answer could reasonably be necessary). Possibly in some cases, *those* questions could become really good duplicate targets. The stub would give a direct answer for a very specific question, and then relevant detail is behind the link (just as it would be for answers that quote and cite documentation and then give a one-sentence explanation of how the quote answers the question).
  • As for specifics about article writing: I envision people taking advantage of the threaded comment feature, using comments heavily to point out missing, poorly organized or otherwise inferior content. Separate comment threads could discuss any given issue, and by convention OP would be responsible for significant content edits - to maintain a consistent style. Others could edit for the usual grammar/typo/copyediting reasons. I imagine articles making heavy use of `<details>` tags, so that they can avoid taking up space with a separate "table of contents" (although it [should be possible](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/289239) to link those up internally with HTML), and make it easier to scroll over sections that don't interest the reader.
#2: Post edited by user avatar Karl Knechtel‭ · 2023-08-08T00:55:50Z (over 1 year ago)
  • I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have turned out for other communities. Rather than try to define "wiki" or consider ways to implement that strategy, I want to consider:
  • **How could a category using the "article" page type be used here?**
  • My own answer seems quite clear to me. The model that makes the most sense is already demonstrated by the ["Papers" section for the EE community](https://electrical.codidact.com/categories/35). The examples here generally look, to me, like one of:
  • * Guided "tutorials" that build to an existing concept step by step (e.g. the actually-existing design of basic op-amps)
  • * Closed-ended, but non-trivial, lists of well-agreed-upon reasons for a practice, or methods for some objective. These are susceptible to being presented in a way that looks more like Q&A, because there is more of a need to specify the underlying problem in detail.
  • * Alternatives for ways to visualize or understand a difficult or subtle concept
  • All of these make sense to me in a software development context, although I would modify the last one somewhat - we might instead have articles that focus on a single, commonly misunderstood concept (say, recursion), and address multiple misconceptions with that same concept. I'm a little less positive about the idea of doing tutorials, but I can imagine offering e.g. a collection of ways to do individual tasks that sum up to "managing a language-X environment" or "making use of branches in a repository" or "choosing between absolute and relative imports in Python". You get the idea.
  • Where I think this model could really shine is for the medium-length-list type questions, where there are a few well-defined ways to do something simple, and a fair bit that is useful to say about each of them. For example, the nearly 3000 words (if we count the dozens of short code examples as text normally) I recently wrote [about string formatting in Python](https://software.codidact.com/posts/289251). When there are fundamentally about 6 (depending on how you count) sensible approaches to a problem, that isn't too widely scoped for a question (the question itself is quite coherent, and would look the same if there *weren't* the historical baggage of `%`-style formatting etc.). It offers an executive summary that [fits within short-term memory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two). But being able to put all the answer content in one place, up front, avoids a [combinatorial explosion](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390907) of attempts to explain various *subsets of* the Ways To Do It (and of various aspects thereof). It also avoids confusion over whether to answer with a summary of all ways, or in detail about one way - more importantly, it avoids worrying about *coordination* problems between answerers.
  • The potential downside I see is that (as things stand, to my understanding) articles could not be *directly* used to close duplicate questions, at least not if they're in their own category (which would IMO definitely be desirable for organizational reasons). But then, a lot of the time it would be better to answer questions with a "stub" that *refers to* main article content (and perhaps points out a specific relevant section) and then in some cases it could be closed after that (as no other answer could reasonably be necessary). Possibly in some cases, *those* questions could become really good duplicate targets. The stub would give a direct answer for a very specific question, and then relevant detail is behind the link (just as it would be for answers that quote and cite documentation and then give a one-sentence explanation of how the quote answers the question).
  • I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have turned out for other communities. Rather than try to define "wiki" or consider ways to implement that strategy, I want to consider:
  • **How could a category using the "article" page type be used here?**
  • My own answer seems quite clear to me. The model that makes the most sense is already demonstrated by the ["Papers" section for the EE community](https://electrical.codidact.com/categories/35). The examples here generally look, to me, like one of:
  • * Guided "tutorials" that build to an existing concept step by step (e.g. the actually-existing design of basic op-amps)
  • * Closed-ended, but non-trivial, lists of well-agreed-upon reasons for a practice, or methods for some objective. These are susceptible to being presented in a way that looks more like Q&A, because there is more of a need to specify the underlying problem in detail.
  • * Alternatives for ways to visualize or understand a difficult or subtle concept
  • All of these make sense to me in a software development context, although I would modify the last one somewhat - we might instead have articles that focus on a single, commonly misunderstood concept (say, recursion), and address multiple misconceptions with that same concept. I'm a little less positive about the idea of doing tutorials, but I can imagine offering e.g. a collection of ways to do individual tasks that sum up to "managing a language-X environment" or "making use of branches in a repository" or "choosing between absolute and relative imports in Python". You get the idea.
  • Where I think this model could really shine is for the medium-length-list type questions, where there are a few well-defined ways to do something simple, and a fair bit that is useful to say about each of them. For example, the nearly 3000 words (if we count the dozens of short code examples as text normally) I recently wrote [about string formatting in Python](https://software.codidact.com/posts/289251). When there are fundamentally about 6 (depending on how you count) sensible approaches to a problem, that isn't too widely scoped for a question (the question itself is quite coherent, and would look the same if there *weren't* the historical baggage of `%`-style formatting etc.). It offers an executive summary that [fits within short-term memory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two). But being able to put all the answer content in one place, up front, avoids a [combinatorial explosion](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390907) of attempts to explain various *subsets of* the Ways To Do It (and of various aspects thereof). It also avoids confusion over whether to answer with a summary of all ways, or in detail about one way - more importantly, it avoids worrying about *coordination* problems between answerers.
  • ---
  • The potential downside I see is that (as things stand, to my understanding) articles could not be *directly* used to close duplicate questions, at least not if they're in their own category (which would IMO definitely be desirable for organizational reasons). But then, a lot of the time it would be better to answer questions with a "stub" that *refers to* main article content (and perhaps points out a specific relevant section) and then in some cases it could be closed after that (as no other answer could reasonably be necessary). Possibly in some cases, *those* questions could become really good duplicate targets. The stub would give a direct answer for a very specific question, and then relevant detail is behind the link (just as it would be for answers that quote and cite documentation and then give a one-sentence explanation of how the quote answers the question).
  • As for specifics about article writing: I envision people taking advantage of the threaded comment feature, using comments heavily to point out missing, poorly organized or otherwise inferior content. Separate comment threads could discuss any given issue, and by convention OP would be responsible for significant content edits - to maintain a consistent style. Others could edit for the usual grammar/typo/copyediting reasons. I imagine articles making heavy use of `<details>` tags, so that they can avoid taking up space with a separate "table of contents" (although it [should be possible](https://meta.codidact.com/posts/289239) to link those up internally with HTML), and make it easier to scroll over sections that don't interest the reader.
#1: Initial revision by user avatar Karl Knechtel‭ · 2023-08-08T00:49:01Z (over 1 year ago)
I think the framing of this question (and the prior discussion) is wrong, and I think that conditions have evolved since it was originally asked - in particular, we can now see how articles have turned out for other communities. Rather than try to define "wiki" or consider ways to implement that strategy, I want to consider:

**How could a category using the "article" page type be used here?**

My own answer seems quite clear to me. The model that makes the most sense is already demonstrated by the ["Papers" section for the EE community](https://electrical.codidact.com/categories/35). The examples here generally look, to me, like one of:

* Guided "tutorials" that build to an existing concept step by step (e.g. the actually-existing design of basic op-amps)

* Closed-ended, but non-trivial, lists of well-agreed-upon reasons for a practice, or methods for some objective. These are susceptible to being presented in a way that looks more like Q&A, because there is more of a need to specify the underlying problem in detail.

* Alternatives for ways to visualize or understand a difficult or subtle concept

All of these make sense to me in a software development context, although I would modify the last one somewhat - we might instead have articles that focus on a single, commonly misunderstood concept (say, recursion), and address multiple misconceptions with that same concept. I'm a little less positive about the idea of doing tutorials, but I can imagine offering e.g. a collection of ways to do individual tasks that sum up to "managing a language-X environment" or "making use of branches in a repository" or "choosing between absolute and relative imports in Python". You get the idea.

Where I think this model could really shine is for the medium-length-list type questions, where there are a few well-defined ways to do something simple, and a fair bit that is useful to say about each of them. For example, the nearly 3000 words (if we count the dozens of short code examples as text normally) I recently wrote [about string formatting in Python](https://software.codidact.com/posts/289251). When there are fundamentally about 6 (depending on how you count) sensible approaches to a problem, that isn't too widely scoped for a question (the question itself is quite coherent, and would look the same if there *weren't* the historical baggage of `%`-style formatting etc.). It offers an executive summary that [fits within short-term memory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two). But being able to put all the answer content in one place, up front, avoids a [combinatorial explosion](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390907) of attempts to explain various *subsets of* the Ways To Do It (and of various aspects thereof). It also avoids confusion over whether to answer with a summary of all ways, or in detail about one way - more importantly, it avoids worrying about *coordination* problems between answerers.

The potential downside I see is that (as things stand, to my understanding) articles could not be *directly* used to close duplicate questions, at least not if they're in their own category (which would IMO definitely be desirable for organizational reasons). But then, a lot of the time it would be better to answer questions with a "stub" that *refers to* main article content (and perhaps points out a specific relevant section) and then in some cases it could be closed after that (as no other answer could reasonably be necessary). Possibly in some cases, *those* questions could become really good duplicate targets. The stub would give a direct answer for a very specific question, and then relevant detail is behind the link (just as it would be for answers that quote and cite documentation and then give a one-sentence explanation of how the quote answers the question).