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Should we merge the scope, on-topic and off-topic meta tags?

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This question is based on Ooker's comment:

I suggest us to merge/synonymize the scope, on-topic, off-topic tags

Should we merge these meta tags? I am thinking of merging all of them into the scope one.

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Scope and on-/off-topic are two distinct concepts (1 comment)
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Different tag sets per category

It is important to be aware that the Q&A category and the Meta category have distinct sets of tags. This question is about the Meta tags only, which cannot be used in the Q&A category. They simply do not show up there.

Specifically, the following are different (as you can see by following the links):

This generally prevents confusion about what "scope" refers to.

The tags already recommend scope

Note that the question proposes merging tags into Meta's "scope" tag. Those tags already recommend using "scope" instead, so the merge would simply be automating what is already recommended by the tags themselves.

If there is reason to change those existing recommendations, I recommend that be raised as a separate Meta discussion, and that the merging be delayed until that discussion has been resolved one way or other.

Unless someone comments below this post linking to such a discussion, I suggest we go ahead with the merge, because it is already consistent with the wordings of all of the tags involved.

Related tidying

There is also a Meta tag that is a typo of "on-topic" and could be either deleted or merged into the correct spelling:

  • The "ontopic" Meta tag

    For questions or discussions about the scope of the site (i.e. if a question topic is fit for this site or not).


  1. Note that this tag can be used in either the Q&A or the Code Reviews category. The two categories share a tag set. The "scope" tag in the Code Reviews category shows the same posts as the "scope" tag in the Q&A category. ↩︎

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Merged ontopic into on-topic tag (1 comment)
"Scope" has more meanings at a meta level as well (10 comments)
Your first section is meta-commentary for Olin’s answer. It belongs in a comment under his answer, no... (3 comments)
"Scope" has more meanings at a meta level as well
Karl Knechtel‭ wrote 21 days ago

I think that even in a meta sense, "scope" doesn't just describe topicality. It also describes whether a question is properly focused, versus being too broad. That is, whether it asks about the right amount of situations. One could debate, for example, whether to generalize a question to cover all random-access container types in a programming language, in light of someone finding an additional solution that only works with some of them.

trichoplax‭ wrote 21 days ago

I agree that the English word "scope" has more meanings than the tag description currently defines, and that more than one of those meanings could be relevant to discussions on Meta.

I see this similarly to the "python" tag in the other categories. It has more meanings than just the programming language, but the tag description makes clear what it is for. If I have a question about Rust code for detecting pythons in satellite imagery, I'll use the "rust" tag but not the "python" tag. That is, I'll decide based on the tag description, not the dictionary definition.

trichoplax‭ wrote 21 days ago

It may be that there is a better word to use for a Meta tag concerning what is on topic for the other categories, and a better word to use for a Meta tag concerning whether the scope of a specific question is too broad (as opposed to being off topic). Alternatively, it may be that the community prefers to extend the scope of the "scope" tag to include both purposes. I've suggested this be the topic of a separate Meta question.

I'm only suggesting the Meta tag merge go ahead if no such Meta question is raised, since the current tag descriptions have existed long term with no objection until this merge was proposed.

Lundin‭ wrote 19 days ago

site-scope might have been a better name for the meta tag.

trichoplax‭ wrote 19 days ago

It's never too late to suggest a change (and currently it wouldn't even be that much work). I wonder if community-scope would fit (since "site" could mean the community or the Codidact network). Maybe [category]-scope for communities with different categories (here q&a-scope and code-reviews-scope could work).

Karl Knechtel‭ wrote 19 days ago

I'll support the [category]-scope idea. Just as long as nobody reaches the point where tagging a post as meta-scope ever seems like a good idea!

Lundin‭ wrote 18 days ago

[category-scope] sounds good to me since unique tags apparently exist based on category.

trichoplax‭ wrote 18 days ago

This can vary by community, but in the case of Software Development Codidact there are only 2 tag sets: one for Meta, and one that is shared by Q&A and Code Reviews.

This is subject to change if someone raises a Meta discussion arguing they should have distinct tag sets, but otherwise the 2 categories have the same tags. In particular, editing a tag description in Q&A will also change the description in Code Reviews.

They still have distinct scopes though.

Lundin‭ wrote 18 days ago

trichoplax‭ On the Electrical Engineering there's site/category scope, as well as all the programmer meanings, as well as "scope" being very common slang for oscilloscope :) I think all sites probably benefit from at least keeping the tags of meta separate from the rest of the categories.

Karl Knechtel‭ wrote 16 days ago

trichoplax‭ The acceptable scope for a given section of a given community isn't defined in terms of its tag set, in my view - tags, and whether or not they're shared with another section, are a red herring. A tag that describes a technology doesn't sufficiently describe a question to know whether it's in scope; it may also matter what OP is doing with the technology.

This is especially the case for things like cryptocurrency, where a tag might refer to a technology but also to business domain knowledge. We could accept a question about writing the code for smart contracts, but not one about their purpose within the context of an economic system.

As for tag descriptions, if two categories share a tag with different scope, the description should link to meta that discusses how the tag is meant to be used in each section and what is in scope for the tag in each section.